Eve, just curious about your perspective on something as a retired MD. I was skeptical of the mRNA shot from the start, not because I knew anything about mRNA, but simply because it seemed unfathomable that Pharma would/could label an experimental shot “safe”, and they touted that endlessly (which was also suspicious). There is no possib…
Eve, just curious about your perspective on something as a retired MD. I was skeptical of the mRNA shot from the start, not because I knew anything about mRNA, but simply because it seemed unfathomable that Pharma would/could label an experimental shot “safe”, and they touted that endlessly (which was also suspicious). There is no possible way that was knowable, especially in the long term. I realize MD’s are indoctrinated; however, it defies logic and common sense, particularly, I would think, for anyone who has been through medical school. Would this not give a doctor pause also?
Obviously it did some, but the majority just went along. Any insight into why? Was it because they saw how their colleagues who raised concerns were treated , or are they somehow so brainwashed that they just don’t even question anything coming out of Pharma, or something else?
While I have been disillusioned with allopathic medicine for some time, this was the final nail in the coffin for me in regard to placing any trust in the medical profession at all, for almost anything other than broken bones or possibly treating traumatic injury. I’m not saying there are not still good doctors out there, but I think many do more harm than good.
Not That "Karen" I admire your skepticism! I had my concerns about the shots, but my concerns were vague and not well formed. Because my husband had been diagnosed with glioblastoma, and would be on chemotherapy, I was mostly concerned with the possibility of his getting sick because of me. I turned to a doctor of mine who was meticulous, head of medicine at our hospital. He told me the risks of getting COVID were much greater than the risks of the injections.
I have learned so much since that fateful "advice." A doctor I once admired and respected appeared to me to be either completely ignorant, completely indoctrinated, or [incomprehensible to me], wishing harm on his patients.
Ever since then I have tried to practice skepticism every chance I get, but this is a personal quality that I think is connected with one's personality. I think medical students are not chosen for their skepticism, BUT THEY SHOULD BE! Any scientific endeavor requires skepticism. Instead most people who get into medical school are highly compliant individuals willing to devote all the hours of their days to studying and preparing for exams. This is what makes them easy marks for indoctrination.
In medical school we were taught that the germ theory was fact. We were actually not taught it is a theory! We were taught that bacteria, fungi, and viruses were potentially ready at all times to attack us, including our own microbiome. (Although the latter term was not common when I was in med school: 1975-78). We were taught viruses exist. We were taught that vaccines had saved millions of lives, and that they were effective and safe. We were taught theories about disease (pathology) and treatment (often medications) and had a course devoted to the latter: pharmacology. Soon we were thinking of diseases and medications for each disease as "illness+cure". or "illness+control".
We were not taught that medications were primarily "symptom management" which is very different from cure or control of a disease.
Doctors still practicing are still indoctrinated except for a very few, but it is very difficult to practice in patient care and not use antibiotics, for example, or chemotherapy, for cancer patients. I think doctors who resist the indoctrination are likely to leave medical practice starting with the COVID debacle, because that was when a clear line was drawn in the sand: either you practice medicine the way the government demands you practice or you lose your admitting privileges.
Never in my life did I think it wold come to this. I never imagined a time would come when doctors were told how to treat their own patients by a one-size-fits-all method decided by government bureaucrats.
The fact that doctors allowed themselves to be turned into murderers is something so dystopian I have difficulty understanding it. Because if doctors had organized and stood together, protesting having treatment decisions taken out of their hands, they would have had a lot of power. There would be no way to replace all of them. But the threat of replacing them drove most of them to submit. No practice, no income, no income, no survival for you and your family.
I realize this is difficult to believe; how could doctors be so naive or so trusting? Being told your income depended upon accepting being told what to do was the last straw. I think what has happened in medicine happened very slowly for a long time, then very quickly at the end (COVID period).
Our autonomy has been taken from us starting with insurance coverage for in-patient care. Once hospital care got too expensive for any individual to pay for out of pocket, and insurance became necessary to prevent catastrophic debt/bankruptcy for patients, doctors had to justify many of their treatment decisions to faceless bureaucrats in insurance companies. We had to justify the use of certain medications, we had to justify patient length of stay in the hospital, EVEN IF THE PATIENT WAS SUICIDAL, we could get insurance companies refusing to pay! We had to discharge some patients who were suicidal, something I was taught to NEVER EVER DO, and try to arrange outpatient care that we hoped would provide enough support for the patient.
Once doctors complied with all of these limitations on our autonomy, we were forced to please hundreds of different insurance companies, as well as the administrators, such as our department heads who were focused on length of stay, and hospital administrators who were leaning on our department heads, etc.
Over time I think doctors just got used to "taking orders." I don't know if all doctors did or just the majority, but those who needed to practice in hospital settings had to give up some of their autonomy.
I agree with you, doctors have had to become self-protective (in order to stay in practice) and willing to comply even if it meant suboptimal quality of care, and the quality of care began to deteriorate no matter how good a doctor you meant to be. Hospitals would insist that cutting down the length of stay was completely consistent with "quality of care." That was pretty dystopian in and of itself right there. But at the time I heard that, all that happened was I decided to just treat outpatients and get out of the vise of having to choose between too many masters: department heads, insurance companies, the patients, etc. But I was a psychiatrist so this was possible, doctors in other specialties didn't even have that option. So they had to get increasingly compliant.
From the beginning of the takeover of medicine by the Rockefeller group of foundations in the early part of the 20th century all it took was 100 years to bring good quality of care to its knees. Of course the Rockefeller globalists would deny all this, their stated goal was to turn doctors into "professionals" (pill pushers) as opposed to practitioners of natural or herbal medicine, which they defined as "quack" medicine. Nobody who went to the trouble of going to medical school wanted to think of themselves as a quack.
I didn't realize I was indoctrinated. I believed that surely we would not be taught anything that hadn't been proven by the scientific method! I sincerely believed that everything we were taught was already long ago proven by science. It would never have occurred to me to question any of it. Very sad to me in retrospect that I wasn't more skeptical.
I hope this helps you understand the way medical students are trapped in a system that is meant to turn out compliant pill pushers, people who believe what they are doing is the best possible care in a highly technical field.
I lost respect for the entire field of medicine, although that might be harsh. I have a doctor, but I see her limitations and try to make use of her suggestions. If any of her suggestions do not fit with my understanding based upon what I have learned since COVID, I just will not comply. That situation has not arisen. It has made me think through carefully what I will discuss with my doctors and what I think is best not discussed, as it would potentially lead to an unresolvable conflict at a moment of illness for me, i.e a moment of vulnerability.
By the way my husband has never had a recurrence of his brain tumor.
We both took 2 of the "vaccines." We both got facial herpes after the first "vaccine," (J&J) My husband had a pulmonary embolism within 6 months of his second
"vaccine," which he also survived.
I do not know if it will be possible to change "disease care" into "health care" in the US as there are such powerful forces arrayed against it. Ultimately I hope we as Americans can learn from each other and find sources of knowledge to help us live healthy lives. After all, human beings have been on this earth for 6 million years before there were "doctors in white lab coats" ! I am hopeful that non-allopathic methods of treatment will be explored and turned to, but this may take several generations to accomplish.
Eve, thank you for your insightful and thoughtful reply. I guess I hadn’t really thought of skepticism as a personality trait. Apparently, it must be relatively uncommon given that so many, including my husband and daughter, lined up to willingly roll up their sleeves for a shot that had zero long-term safety data. I guess to be fair though, the mandates likely played a large role in that as well. I’m lucky enough to live in a conservative state where vaccination status wasn’t an issue, so it was much easier for me than it was for many others.
I have to say, had I been in your shoes with a husband who was fighting cancer, I would likely have made the same choice as you. They were very clever with their emotional blackmail. I believe my adult daughter complied because she was around her husband’s 90+ year old grandparents.
It will be interesting to see if RFKJ is confirmed whether he actually begins to make a difference, or if it will be more of the same. Given some of the other clean up that this Administration is beginning to tackle, there may be some hope of at least getting some of Pharma’s tentacles out of the regulatory agencies.
So sorry to hear of your husband’s health struggles. There are several Substack authors I have found to be good sources of “alternative” medicines. Interestingly enough, both have MD’s, one is a currently practicing MD, A Midwestern Doctor and the other a retired MD, Dr Robert Yoho. Another Substack, 2nd Smartest Guy in the World, writes about the use of Ivermectin and Fenbendazole to cure cancer. You may already be familiar with these individuals, but I thought I would mention them just in case.
Good luck to you and your husband, may you both enjoy good health going forward.
Eve, just curious about your perspective on something as a retired MD. I was skeptical of the mRNA shot from the start, not because I knew anything about mRNA, but simply because it seemed unfathomable that Pharma would/could label an experimental shot “safe”, and they touted that endlessly (which was also suspicious). There is no possible way that was knowable, especially in the long term. I realize MD’s are indoctrinated; however, it defies logic and common sense, particularly, I would think, for anyone who has been through medical school. Would this not give a doctor pause also?
Obviously it did some, but the majority just went along. Any insight into why? Was it because they saw how their colleagues who raised concerns were treated , or are they somehow so brainwashed that they just don’t even question anything coming out of Pharma, or something else?
While I have been disillusioned with allopathic medicine for some time, this was the final nail in the coffin for me in regard to placing any trust in the medical profession at all, for almost anything other than broken bones or possibly treating traumatic injury. I’m not saying there are not still good doctors out there, but I think many do more harm than good.
Not That "Karen" I admire your skepticism! I had my concerns about the shots, but my concerns were vague and not well formed. Because my husband had been diagnosed with glioblastoma, and would be on chemotherapy, I was mostly concerned with the possibility of his getting sick because of me. I turned to a doctor of mine who was meticulous, head of medicine at our hospital. He told me the risks of getting COVID were much greater than the risks of the injections.
I have learned so much since that fateful "advice." A doctor I once admired and respected appeared to me to be either completely ignorant, completely indoctrinated, or [incomprehensible to me], wishing harm on his patients.
Ever since then I have tried to practice skepticism every chance I get, but this is a personal quality that I think is connected with one's personality. I think medical students are not chosen for their skepticism, BUT THEY SHOULD BE! Any scientific endeavor requires skepticism. Instead most people who get into medical school are highly compliant individuals willing to devote all the hours of their days to studying and preparing for exams. This is what makes them easy marks for indoctrination.
In medical school we were taught that the germ theory was fact. We were actually not taught it is a theory! We were taught that bacteria, fungi, and viruses were potentially ready at all times to attack us, including our own microbiome. (Although the latter term was not common when I was in med school: 1975-78). We were taught viruses exist. We were taught that vaccines had saved millions of lives, and that they were effective and safe. We were taught theories about disease (pathology) and treatment (often medications) and had a course devoted to the latter: pharmacology. Soon we were thinking of diseases and medications for each disease as "illness+cure". or "illness+control".
We were not taught that medications were primarily "symptom management" which is very different from cure or control of a disease.
Doctors still practicing are still indoctrinated except for a very few, but it is very difficult to practice in patient care and not use antibiotics, for example, or chemotherapy, for cancer patients. I think doctors who resist the indoctrination are likely to leave medical practice starting with the COVID debacle, because that was when a clear line was drawn in the sand: either you practice medicine the way the government demands you practice or you lose your admitting privileges.
Never in my life did I think it wold come to this. I never imagined a time would come when doctors were told how to treat their own patients by a one-size-fits-all method decided by government bureaucrats.
The fact that doctors allowed themselves to be turned into murderers is something so dystopian I have difficulty understanding it. Because if doctors had organized and stood together, protesting having treatment decisions taken out of their hands, they would have had a lot of power. There would be no way to replace all of them. But the threat of replacing them drove most of them to submit. No practice, no income, no income, no survival for you and your family.
I realize this is difficult to believe; how could doctors be so naive or so trusting? Being told your income depended upon accepting being told what to do was the last straw. I think what has happened in medicine happened very slowly for a long time, then very quickly at the end (COVID period).
Our autonomy has been taken from us starting with insurance coverage for in-patient care. Once hospital care got too expensive for any individual to pay for out of pocket, and insurance became necessary to prevent catastrophic debt/bankruptcy for patients, doctors had to justify many of their treatment decisions to faceless bureaucrats in insurance companies. We had to justify the use of certain medications, we had to justify patient length of stay in the hospital, EVEN IF THE PATIENT WAS SUICIDAL, we could get insurance companies refusing to pay! We had to discharge some patients who were suicidal, something I was taught to NEVER EVER DO, and try to arrange outpatient care that we hoped would provide enough support for the patient.
Once doctors complied with all of these limitations on our autonomy, we were forced to please hundreds of different insurance companies, as well as the administrators, such as our department heads who were focused on length of stay, and hospital administrators who were leaning on our department heads, etc.
Over time I think doctors just got used to "taking orders." I don't know if all doctors did or just the majority, but those who needed to practice in hospital settings had to give up some of their autonomy.
I agree with you, doctors have had to become self-protective (in order to stay in practice) and willing to comply even if it meant suboptimal quality of care, and the quality of care began to deteriorate no matter how good a doctor you meant to be. Hospitals would insist that cutting down the length of stay was completely consistent with "quality of care." That was pretty dystopian in and of itself right there. But at the time I heard that, all that happened was I decided to just treat outpatients and get out of the vise of having to choose between too many masters: department heads, insurance companies, the patients, etc. But I was a psychiatrist so this was possible, doctors in other specialties didn't even have that option. So they had to get increasingly compliant.
From the beginning of the takeover of medicine by the Rockefeller group of foundations in the early part of the 20th century all it took was 100 years to bring good quality of care to its knees. Of course the Rockefeller globalists would deny all this, their stated goal was to turn doctors into "professionals" (pill pushers) as opposed to practitioners of natural or herbal medicine, which they defined as "quack" medicine. Nobody who went to the trouble of going to medical school wanted to think of themselves as a quack.
I didn't realize I was indoctrinated. I believed that surely we would not be taught anything that hadn't been proven by the scientific method! I sincerely believed that everything we were taught was already long ago proven by science. It would never have occurred to me to question any of it. Very sad to me in retrospect that I wasn't more skeptical.
I hope this helps you understand the way medical students are trapped in a system that is meant to turn out compliant pill pushers, people who believe what they are doing is the best possible care in a highly technical field.
I lost respect for the entire field of medicine, although that might be harsh. I have a doctor, but I see her limitations and try to make use of her suggestions. If any of her suggestions do not fit with my understanding based upon what I have learned since COVID, I just will not comply. That situation has not arisen. It has made me think through carefully what I will discuss with my doctors and what I think is best not discussed, as it would potentially lead to an unresolvable conflict at a moment of illness for me, i.e a moment of vulnerability.
By the way my husband has never had a recurrence of his brain tumor.
We both took 2 of the "vaccines." We both got facial herpes after the first "vaccine," (J&J) My husband had a pulmonary embolism within 6 months of his second
"vaccine," which he also survived.
I do not know if it will be possible to change "disease care" into "health care" in the US as there are such powerful forces arrayed against it. Ultimately I hope we as Americans can learn from each other and find sources of knowledge to help us live healthy lives. After all, human beings have been on this earth for 6 million years before there were "doctors in white lab coats" ! I am hopeful that non-allopathic methods of treatment will be explored and turned to, but this may take several generations to accomplish.
Eve, thank you for your insightful and thoughtful reply. I guess I hadn’t really thought of skepticism as a personality trait. Apparently, it must be relatively uncommon given that so many, including my husband and daughter, lined up to willingly roll up their sleeves for a shot that had zero long-term safety data. I guess to be fair though, the mandates likely played a large role in that as well. I’m lucky enough to live in a conservative state where vaccination status wasn’t an issue, so it was much easier for me than it was for many others.
I have to say, had I been in your shoes with a husband who was fighting cancer, I would likely have made the same choice as you. They were very clever with their emotional blackmail. I believe my adult daughter complied because she was around her husband’s 90+ year old grandparents.
It will be interesting to see if RFKJ is confirmed whether he actually begins to make a difference, or if it will be more of the same. Given some of the other clean up that this Administration is beginning to tackle, there may be some hope of at least getting some of Pharma’s tentacles out of the regulatory agencies.
So sorry to hear of your husband’s health struggles. There are several Substack authors I have found to be good sources of “alternative” medicines. Interestingly enough, both have MD’s, one is a currently practicing MD, A Midwestern Doctor and the other a retired MD, Dr Robert Yoho. Another Substack, 2nd Smartest Guy in the World, writes about the use of Ivermectin and Fenbendazole to cure cancer. You may already be familiar with these individuals, but I thought I would mention them just in case.
Good luck to you and your husband, may you both enjoy good health going forward.